tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15133926.post116778513132643064..comments2023-10-10T06:51:06.526-04:00Comments on Ryan's Take: Recourse on Marriage EqualityRyanhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/04523572927796479670noreply@blogger.comBlogger9125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15133926.post-1167863995307969482007-01-03T17:39:00.000-05:002007-01-03T17:39:00.000-05:00The vote doesn't have to happen a year from now, i...The vote doesn't have to happen a year from now, it can be put off until the very last day of the new legislators' term, I believe. So I could be put off until after the '08 election, though only the reps sworn in as of today wuld get a vote.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15133926.post-1167858317796287142007-01-03T16:05:00.000-05:002007-01-03T16:05:00.000-05:00Changing the guard in two years WILL effect the vo...Changing the guard in two years WILL effect the vote a year from now. <BR/><BR/>It's going to force reps to go on record ahead of time and know that their positions are going to potentially make them lose. It takes a long time to get field opponents, raise money and start the campaign. If we start early, based on this issue, we can force a lot of state legislators to change their vote.<BR/><BR/>People may have said that the SJC's decision a week or so ago wouldn't effect yesterday's vote - because the SJC couldn't do anything about what they saw as a violation of the constitution - but it obviously DID effect the outcome. <BR/><BR/>Just like going on a huge offensive/movement will effect vote outcomes a year from now. If people know that there are going to be hundreds or even thousands of volunteers to replace morally bankrupt polititians over this issue - they'll change their vote.Ryanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04523572927796479670noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15133926.post-1167853937961043292007-01-03T14:52:00.000-05:002007-01-03T14:52:00.000-05:00lenstewart, I totally agree - we need to be more v...lenstewart, I totally agree - we need to be more visible. But I think to be effective, it has to happen daily, not just at rallies. We need to be prepared, as individuals, to join LGBT speakers bureaus, or go door-to-door canvassing with MassEquality or another org. The subject doesn't even have to be marriage specifically, just civil equality and safety for gays. I think this is the key (although other activities will help too)Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15133926.post-1167838900260006262007-01-03T10:41:00.000-05:002007-01-03T10:41:00.000-05:00So, I agree with you, Ryan, that we need to be lou...So, I agree with you, Ryan, that we need to be louder and more effective. Of course, electing new Reps in November of 2008 won't change anything in the upcoming session that votes on this again. But, maybe the very real threat of running and supporting strong primary opponents might be enough to swing some votes from "yes" to "no". After all, one of the most important jobs a legislator has is to remain in power. And, while they don't all get the "social justice" argument, every one of them understands the "remaining in power" argument right well.<BR/><BR/>That, and maybe getting more visible. Rather than 50 people at our rally on Cape, we needed 200. The hearty souls who were outside the statehouse yesterday needed another 500 of their friends there to pitch in.<BR/><BR/>That's where I want us to go on this. I refuse to be a victim of bad government. I want us instead to be victors, and overcome bad government.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15133926.post-1167803381654950692007-01-03T00:49:00.000-05:002007-01-03T00:49:00.000-05:00"Peter Porcupine is busy crying crocodile tears ab..."Peter Porcupine is busy crying crocodile tears about the health care amendment over on BMG"<BR/><BR/>Well, duh, I'm sure that for the next two years, every once in a while she'll toss off a little muttering about what a *travesty* it all is, and how it may not seem like she cares about it at all in comparision to her one-woman jihad against the gays for those [insert made up figure of oppressed citizens], but in her *heart* it's just as big an issue to her, it's the *principle*. lmao<BR/><BR/>"Ms. Porcupine sees it as an issue of power and money. Defeating liberals is her JOB."<BR/><BR/>Well, yeah. Have disseminated talking points, shill travels. Who's not clear on that?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15133926.post-1167795864645657462007-01-02T22:44:00.000-05:002007-01-02T22:44:00.000-05:00Peter Porcupine is busy crying crocodile tears abo...Peter Porcupine is busy crying crocodile tears about the health care amendment over on BMG.<BR/><BR/>One of the weaknesses of the liberal movement is forgetting the Republican party thinks of this not as a matter of people's rights, but a battle in the cultural war. <BR/><BR/>We might see this as about love. Ms. Porcupine sees it as an issue of power and money. Defeating liberals is her JOB.<BR/><BR/>Please remember her words and actions next time she comes slithering back to whisper lies.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15133926.post-1167792435942164812007-01-02T21:47:00.000-05:002007-01-02T21:47:00.000-05:00No, laurel, Romney did win a great victory today, ...No, laurel, Romney did win a great victory today, because like his followers, he's a hypocrite. It's not about the process, it's about the hate. Hate carried the day, and now they can dodge amendment votes from now until doomsday without a peep from anyone. The media won't care, the SJC won't care. Big freaking surprise. Well, David's going to be shocked when his staunch allies like Peter Porcupine and Ray Flynn all of a sudden don't care about the process anymore, maybe a tip off should have been the fact that signature fraud was fine by them, but that's about it. Wake me up when the need for up or down votes EVER becomes an issue that resonates with anyone again and I'll be sleeping longer than Rip Van Winkle. <BR/><BR/>Doesn't matter, bostonph, there aren't 13 lame ducks. It may not be 62 votes, but it'll be more than 50. And now every Scaife in the country is going to send money, every Fred Phelps is going to come here. It's going to be two years of hell.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15133926.post-1167788110552731582007-01-02T20:35:00.000-05:002007-01-02T20:35:00.000-05:00You forget - the new legislature hasn't take offic...You forget - the new legislature hasn't take office yet. <BR/><BR/>It would be interesting to see how many people who voted for the amendment were lame ducks.bostonphhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13024891936639690660noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15133926.post-1167787804891735792007-01-02T20:30:00.000-05:002007-01-02T20:30:00.000-05:00Something already missing from the news that needs...Something already missing from the news that needs to be shoved in the legs;ature's face: the NEGLECTED their OATH-BOUND DUTY TO VOTE on the HC amendmnet. But they sure as hell were there in their star spangled glory to carry out that duty on the marriage amendment, weren't they? This fact must NOT be lost in the shuffle. Romney did NOT have a victory today, because the legis DID dodge another amendment vote.<BR/><BR/>As for retribution at the polls, I'm with you there, but remember that unfortunately we don't have another election before the next concon. So we can can some assholes, but it won't help the vote count.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com