tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15133926.post2489020582902128002..comments2023-10-10T06:51:06.526-04:00Comments on Ryan's Take: A Depression It Is...Ryanhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/04523572927796479670noreply@blogger.comBlogger10125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15133926.post-55856089457572971552008-12-16T08:20:00.000-05:002008-12-16T08:20:00.000-05:00Recent Washington Post poll, most Americans oppose...Recent Washington Post poll, most Americans oppose bailout.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15133926.post-84013725437413072102008-12-16T01:45:00.000-05:002008-12-16T01:45:00.000-05:00Maybe $10 if you count health, etc. But this is al...Maybe $10 if you count health, etc. <BR/><BR/>But this is all factory-to-factory. There are plenty of Toyota factories who actually pay more than GM, on average, as one commenter noted. <BR/><BR/>Finally, this country should have free health care for all, like Japan, South Korea, Germany and other major car-producing countries. That would save thousands per car.Ryanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04523572927796479670noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15133926.post-35644313277147696312008-12-15T12:24:00.000-05:002008-12-15T12:24:00.000-05:00Check out the Detroit Free Press Feb 1 2007. "UAW ...Check out the Detroit Free Press Feb 1 2007. "UAW Losing Pay Edge", in some instances Toyota is paying average workers better than the big 3, counting bonuses.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15133926.post-83966779297699168382008-12-15T08:47:00.000-05:002008-12-15T08:47:00.000-05:00We shouldn't have bailed out Lee Iaccoca and Chrys...We shouldn't have bailed out Lee Iaccoca and Chrysler the first time around years ago, would have been a needed wake up call for Detroit. What now every 20 years or so we bail out the auto industry because they're indispensible?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15133926.post-53664565608378289962008-12-15T05:40:00.000-05:002008-12-15T05:40:00.000-05:00New York Times said the difference was $10 a hour,...New York Times said the difference was $10 a hour, fairly significant.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15133926.post-55501755572500193202008-12-12T22:10:00.000-05:002008-12-12T22:10:00.000-05:00When Darth Vader Cheney emerged from his cave long...When <I>Darth Vader</I> Cheney emerged from his cave long enough to pronounce that the Republicans would forever be known for their failure, the ideologues simply refused to 'get it.'<BR/>This will be the Bush/Cheney/Republican Senate legacy.<BR/>That a nation fails to recognize the perils that this collapse represents explains the willingness of many to be led as sheep and the failure to learn from history. How have we become so calloused to the suffering of our fellow Americans?<BR/><STRONG><EM>There are defining moments in politics. Here Republicans defined themselves. </EM></STRONG>Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15133926.post-43444298941823502902008-12-12T15:26:00.000-05:002008-12-12T15:26:00.000-05:00Anon 1, I won't disagree with the fact that huge m...Anon 1, I won't disagree with the fact that huge mistakes were made in arguing against fuel efficiency and other things by Detroit - including the unions. But you have to consider a few things. First, that has little to do with the current problem which exists because no one's buying cars right now, mainly due to the credit crisis and mass layoffs (550,000+ last *week* alone). The fact that GM, Ford and Chrysler have been someone slow to adapt has hurt their long-term strategy, slowing down production of better cars by years, but it is NOT the reason why they went from selling 16 million cars last year to 10 million this year. That's the economic collapse. Honda and Toyota are feeling the heat, too... they just aren't burdened by having health care and pensions to deal with (the pensions ONLY because their factories in America are too new to have retirees). <BR/><BR/>Anon 2, do a google. The differences in avg. hourly wages *is* $4 an hour. Soon it won't even be that, after the UAW makes even more concessions to keep Detroit afloat.Ryanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04523572927796479670noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15133926.post-7221544554622761782008-12-12T11:12:00.000-05:002008-12-12T11:12:00.000-05:00The State of Michigan should be fine. They have 23...The State of Michigan should be fine. They have 23 casinos.<BR/><BR/>Oh wait...Gladys Kravitzhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06741576874114564124noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15133926.post-23533792635742814172008-12-12T08:23:00.000-05:002008-12-12T08:23:00.000-05:00I guess Pelosi and Barney Frank should have put so...I guess Pelosi and Barney Frank should have put some limitations on the AIG money, they were in the drivers seat weren't they? And where did you get your "fact" that Detroit guys only get $4 an hour more.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15133926.post-12359710457094736962008-12-12T05:49:00.000-05:002008-12-12T05:49:00.000-05:00The chickens are coming home to roost, corporate a...The chickens are coming home to roost, corporate and union greed over many years made our industries uncompetitive. Michigan (and surrounding states) legislators made our automakers immune from growing world wide standards of performance. The unions wrangled ridiculous pay and benefits packages. The steel industry went down, we didn't bail them out. Why throw good money after bad now. I work in an industry that supplied the big three. We made a material for all three, Ford had the tightest specifications, if we made some and it was a little off spec we could still sell it to GM, if they wouldn't take it Chrysler always would. We never supplied Toyota, couldn't meet their specs.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com